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Validating verification services?

 
I'm new to the scene; have not yet spent time with anyone.  I understand the need for providers to require client verification; but I ran into a situation that raised alarm bells in my mind.  I was traveling and browsed bedpage for a bit to see if I could find anyone near my out-of-the-way location.  I started emailing two ladies.  Both referred me to profiles on "SafeCasualDating" (nsahunter.com), a site that purports to be a hosting/verification site, that reveals contact info only upon receipt of a credit card number "used only to verify your age and that you're not on the sex-offender registry".

I was planning a few days in advance, so I said in the emails I was looking to meet in about 48 hours.  Both ladies apparently didn't understand that, and after I'd been silent for an hour (because, you know, life) started asking why I'd not gotten back to them yet, and urging me again to sign up with the verification service.  That's when alarm bells started ringing.  Some searching revealed that "SafeCasualDating.net" was a scam site that claimed to offer verification services but really just ripped clients off.  Although this site is slightly different, that plus the email exchanges make me certain that nsahunter.com is the same deal.

I've seen P411 around for awhile on more reputable exchanges, so I'd trust them; but I've also seen providers on bedpage that use "MeetVerification" (localsafeverify.com) and also providers on switter that use "Screening Mate" (screeningmate.com).  So here's the question:  What verification services are legit?
  
While the general question remains open, here's an article with a lot of useful advice on the subject:
★ How to identify fake escort ads and avoid scams | Skip the games

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We're all humans, we all appreciate a little R&R in our lives, so wouldn't it be nice if we could just get our rocks off without having to deal with the various lowlifes of the world? Updated Dec 14 2017 Unfortunately, because of the nature of the escort, companion, and adult service provider business, scammers and bad citizens are attracted to it. Here at Skipthegames we've seen three main types of problems that people have to deal with: Completely fake ads by posters who are just looking for money Ads where a scammer tries to steal your credit card information Providers who don't look anything like their photos Escort bookings that end with the customer being robbed If you live in a jurisdiction where prostitution or escorting is illegal and you want to stay out of trouble with the law, read this article. #1 Completely fake ads by posters who are just looking for money These are fake ads that are set up to draw a client in. The goal is to get a deposit for the booking sent to them, after which they cancel at the last minute, or simply fail to show up at the place you where agreed to meet. Usually the ad is priced slightly cheaper than normal with a wide range of services on offer and, of course, the provider is nearly always very good looking. If you use the "Is this photo real?" feature to search for similar photographs by click on the "Is this image real link" link under a photo, you'll almost certainly see the same ad on other sites for totally different cities. This is a major red flag. A famous example of this type of ad is the "Exotic Christi" or "Sensual Christi" ads which we constantly take down from our site. The ad photos show a 20-25 year old very amateur looking blonde that you'd be ecstatic to take home from a bar. Sometimes these scammers will have a phone number where a female voice answers (if the provider is female, obviously) in a sultry manner, but most often they will only have an email address. Upon contacting them, the time you are requesting will of course be available, and they only need a small deposit «to make sure you show up as we've had so many cancellations…» After sending the scammer the deposit (they'll be various methods) you're out of luck. Never, ever, pay a deposit. If a provider asks for this, don't let your little brain do the talking, simply say "No, thanks" and go elsewhere. #2 Ads where a scammer tries to steal your credit card information Again, similar to the fake deposit ads, these ads use photos of very good looking women (or men). These ads though, do not have any phone contact information. The goal here is for you to email the person who posted the ad, they will typically reply very quickly, saying that they can meet up with you whenever and wherever you want. All you need to do is "verify your identity" — for the safety of the escort, of course! They'll send you a link to a site like, , or typically with a link sending you directly to a profile photo. This profile photo will always show your current location as the location of the "escort" in question. These sites will then have you sign up to verify your identity. Some will use age verification as an excuse. Sometimes they will say they won't charge your credit card, other times they may charge your credit card a dollar. The aim of this scam is to steal your credit card information. Don't be fooled. Never enter your credit card information as part of a verification process. #3 Providers who don't look anything like their photos This, unfortunately, happens somewhat frequently. You see a gorgeous girl in an advertisement, you call her up, she sounds sweet, 30 minutes later she's knocking at your hotel room door, you open the door in your robe all ready to greet her and then boom! Let's just say, this wasn't just a little bit of photoshopping. In other circumstances, you may feel like a blonde, but instead a brunette arrives at your door claiming that «oh, I just dyed my hair yesterday and I haven't taken new photos yet.» This happens when a few girls (or guys) work together and the person you call is busy, so they send their friend, thinking if someone shows up at your door, you aren't going to turn them away. The easiest way to guard against this is, when you're making an appointment, to politely ask the provider to send you a photo of her/himself in the mirror holding up a piece of paper with some text on it like, «Hi Sam», where Sam is the name you are using. This ensures that it's a freshly taken photo and the person that meets you looks like the person in the ad. If you're communicating with the provider by email, you may want to write along these lines: Hi Barbie, before we set up a meeting, I'm wondering if you can send me a photo of yourself in the mirror holding up a piece of paper with the writing 'Hi Sam' on it. I know your time is valuable, and I apologize for the inconvenience, but in the past I've been a victim of a 'bait and switch' scam a few times where the provider photos in the ads looked nothing like the actual person that showed up at my door. I respect your privacy and I don't need to see any nude photos, but I'd like to be able to generally see how your body looks as well, again just to make sure you look like the photos in the ad. Thank you for your time Sam This will both give the provider a sense of security as you're letting them know you've been with providers before, you understand their concerns about time and privacy and that you're a polite person. If the provider doesn't want to take a couple of minutes to snap a few photos proving that their photos are real, then either they aren't real, or they're not going to give you good service. Best to move on. #4 How to avoid robberies by a provider There are two main types of robberies that happen in this business: Meetings that are setups for a robbery Opportunistic robberies, where you pay your provider an agreed upon fee, and they suddenly dash out of the hotel room with the money. Alternatively, you may be robbed whilst you're in the shower or some variation on this. Realize that you can never be 100% safe in this business, especially if you're seeing a provider in an area where prostitution is illegal or semi-legal. Some providers will take advantage of this by assuming you won't go to the police if they rob you. Accept that there will always be some risk, and that your best course of action is to minimize your risks and if something bad does happen to minimize the potential damage that could be done to you. With that in mind, a small selection of advice: Never see an escort that you don't know in your own apartment or house. Regardless of whether you are single or not. Get the provider to send you a photo of themselves before setting a date, not only will you be able to verify their looks, but the provider is much less likely to rob you if they know you have a real photo of them. When seeing a provider in their place of business, only bring the money you need for your date and a possible tip. Don't bring your wallet nor any of your id. If you are driving to the provider's place, if it's not in an upscale hotel, park at least half a block away and walk to the location. You can choose to leave your key in a magnetic car lock box under your car, or take your car key with you, depending on the area where you leave your car. When seeing a provider in their place of business, after walking into their room, greet the provider nicely and take a quick look around to make sure no one else is there. Make sure the apartment or hotel door is then locked with the chain or extra door stop in place to prevent anyone else from entering and surprising you. If the provider gets worried when you do this, just smile and say, "I once got robbed by a provider's partner entering with a keycard she'd given her boyfriend, so I have to do this for my own security. You can check me for any kind of weapon if you'd like, but if you're nervous about this I'll have to leave for my own safety." If you're seeing a provider in your hotel room, make sure you have the cash on hand to pay them, and lock away your wallet and other valuables (phone etc) in the room safe, or hide them somewhere high out of reach and out of site if the room doesn't have a safe. If a provider comes to visit you in your hotel room, take a look through the keyhole first, then open the door with the chain attached and again look around, just to make sure there are no unwelcome visitors in the hallway. After the provider enters your room, give her a chance to look around, and then close and lock the door. If the provider is traveling, or you've never met them before, there is a somewhat increased risk of the provider taking the money and dashing out the door while you're in the shower or washroom. Some people insist on not paying in advance because of this, but you'll find that some providers (having been ripped off before) will be nervous if you don't pay them in advance and this will result in a poor session or conflict before the session. You'll have to determine what you do on a case by case basis, but we always suggest giving the provider the money upfront, and then letting them know you'll be happy to tip after the session if you're happy. This will put the provider at ease, and give them some incentive to give you a better session. NEW: #5 Use the "Email me" button A single scammer may create many accounts using different email addresses. They don't want to check multiple mailboxes, so they enter their "real", single email address in the body of the ad, inviting you to write to this address. Don't encourage them: ignore the email in the ad and use the "Email me" button. To recap: Never send money before meeting a provider Never "verify" your identity by entering your credit card information Ask for the provider to send you a photo in advance with them holding up «Hi Sam» on a piece of paper in a mirror. Going to the provider: Don't take extra cash or your wallet to your meeting, or your car key. Take a quick walk around the hotel room first to make sure no one else is in there, lock the hotel door using the chain or the extra bar to make sure no one can barge in. Seeing a provider in your room: Only have the cash you need, put the rest of your belongings in a safe or hide them. Make sure the door is locked after letting the provider enter your room. Paying for services in advance will depend on your relationship with the provider. Use "Email me" button instead of writing to an email address in the text of a post. If you know of a scam ad somewhere on our site, .
  
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An introduction/tutorial for sexworker/clients to hubzilla - a fully federated cms that respects your rights - countering FOSTA/SESTA

  
  
thx :-)
...and yes, hubzilla got a lot of functions. Even so I use it since a while there's still even more to explore for me.
Did the embeded videos worked for you @Cat Gun ?
Which browser did you use?
  
  
hmm, forgot the name. I'll take a look when I turn the computer on the next time.

Shure, reuse/rebuild the content as you wish. It is free for the public.
(thought having such tutorials in the @sexworker and @gentlemen forum might be anyway a better place to host this content then my personal channel)
Hi, new to the client sop

 
Just started as a client a month ago using BP, just my luck...saw one provider and it was not a good experience but I saw how things worked, and was confident I could look around more, then it was weird that Craigslist took down the personals, and started to finally read a bit but was still Completely taken bt surprise the BP crackdown and the cascade of sites gowing away.

I'm all for finding and aresting people who traffic minors, but they are burning down the forest to kill wolves and the expese of many...and fully agree the gov just made the world more dangerous for many women.

I wasn't following any impending action because I was ignorant of it, and falsey thought BP was around for a while and assumed it would be.  So I searched on reddit and the rabbit hole led me here.  Thanks for setting this up. I have zero experience, and don't know the jargon, what is appropriate to say here, the sop for clients, but I'm wanting to learn.  So I'll lurk for a while till I get caught up and hopefully providers find this place and are safe. I'm in WA, but this site can be for anywhere right?

Nice dog theme!
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